New monitor

deathdoG · 23-08-2009, 10:42 AM

21"+, need recommendations..

Do I need 2ms, or will 5ms do?

Looking at LG 2252TQ-PF currently, need more alternatives.

Thanks in advance

gaMbLA · 23-08-2009, 11:21 AM

be careful cause brands like samsung measure in grey-to-grey which say 2ms g2g = 4ms black to black.

so make sure 5ms is black to black not grey to grey cause then your really getting 10ms which shows motion trail.

Not a fan of the LG monitors. gotten very average reviews. benq, AOC, or samsung do the job fine.

I would pick out of these ones.

BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor - $219

BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor [G2220HD] - $219.00 : PC Case Gear, Delivering quality computer parts Australia wide

BenQ G2420HD 24in Widescreen LCD Monitor - $299

BenQ G2420HD 24in Widescreen LCD Monitor BenQ G2420HD 24in Widescreen LCD Monitor [G2420HD] - $299.00 : PC Case Gear, Delivering quality computer parts Australia wide

AOC 2434Pw 23.6in Widescreen LCD

AOC 2434Pw 23.6in Widescreen LCD AOC 2434Pw 23.6in Widescreen LCD [2434Pw] - $289.00 : PC Case Gear, Delivering quality computer parts Australia wide

remember make sure your response time (ms) is < 10. and make sure its measured in black to black.

made a mistake with my samsung which was 5ms but was g2g which gave me 10 ms b2b which gives motion trail.

and constrast ratio is always 1000:1, the dynamic ratio which is now like 60000:1 is a gimmick as dynamic doesn't work well at all.

EUPHOBiA · 23-08-2009, 11:44 AM

samsung 224bw for >$230 at msy

Woody · 23-08-2009, 11:47 AM

eh don't get 21" They no good for anything,
Spend that extra $200 And get a "25-30" Because You will not only enjoy it for gaming, but You will also enjoy it for tv. =]

gaMbLA · 23-08-2009, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EUPHOBiA

samsung 224bw for >$230 at msy

I haven't had good experiences with the cheap line 22" samsung monitors.

benq, aoc, are alot better, the more expensive 26+ samsungs are good, but yeh samsung is a little over rated for monitors. not the best image quality.

Also he ment 21" +. if your getting a new monitor stick around 24".

Crimmy · 23-08-2009, 12:02 PM

I recently got an ASUS VH232H 23inch. I think its decent.

deathdoG · 23-08-2009, 12:16 PM

tyty

CuT · 23-08-2009, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaMbLA

BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor - $219

BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor [G2220HD] - $219.00 : PC Case Gear, Delivering quality computer parts Australia wide

I got one of these a few months ago. Its quite a decent monitor. Decent price too.

Ivo · 23-08-2009, 02:57 PM

practically no different between [actual] 5ms and 2ms. I survived a long time on 12ms stock acer, worked fine afaik.

Pick a few models you're looking at and hunt around for reviews by users and reviewers, is the best thing to do. Half the time it's impossible to tell monitors apart just by the specs these days anymore.
Whirlpool often has heaps of users reporting back how their monitor puchases went.

Another thing to be wary of is if you want a 16:10 1680x1050, or 16:9 1920x1080
around 22", 23" you can get both resolutions, I think its mostly personal choice which res you want these days

zELTAH · 23-08-2009, 03:00 PM

Week ago got a 22" Samsung 2243BW SyncMaster... Does well for me xD

fakeh · 23-08-2009, 03:10 PM

good thread, ill be wanting a new monitor very shortly.

iRoffle · 23-08-2009, 03:43 PM

i've been looking into a new monitor as well. i'm leading towards the "BenQ E2200HD" or the "BenQ G2220HD".

i've skipped over these: (and a few more)

New monitor
BenQ G2220HD 22-inch LCD monitor - Reviews - Hardware - Monitors - LCD Monitors - PC World
BenQ E2200HD 22in LCD Monitor Review - Monitor Reviews - TrustedReviews

E2200HD has hdmi port and speakers, and doesn't cost that much more but it in reality it's just some gimmicks that i'll probably never use.

choosing hardware is so finicky ~_~ i'll probs be happy with what ever i end up getting though D:

post what monitor you end up choosing and a small review :> (i'll probably do the same)

gaMbLA · 23-08-2009, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zELTAH

Week ago got a 22" Samsung 2243BW SyncMaster... Does well for me xD

I got that monitor, viewing angle isn't good at all, you gotta sit directly in the middle otherwise it darkens on angles, and you get motion trail with 10ms b2b.

colours are ok on it but yeh I don't like 22" resolutions with 1680x1050 as the pixels are way bigger you don't get as a good image quality say on 24" res or 1680x1050 on a smaller screen.

EUPHOBiA · 23-08-2009, 04:00 PM

inb4 gambla makes a thead about monitors

vanire_| · 23-08-2009, 06:26 PM

I use a Samnsung 2443BW, its a great monitor.

deathdoG · 24-08-2009, 04:10 PM

BenQ G2220HD 21.5in Widescreen LCD Monitor - 5ms - $199

LG 2252TQ-PF 22in - 2ms - $231

Can't decide, need help again.

scooba · 24-08-2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deathdoG

BenQ G2220HD 21.5in Widescreen LCD Monitor - 5ms - $199

LG 2252TQ-PF 22in - 2ms - $231

Can't decide, need help again.

I got a benq E2200HD, which i cant see being too much diff from the G2220HD.

And mines awesome, im about to buy a third one.

deathdoG · 24-08-2009, 04:13 PM

I read that it blurs noticeably in games, confirm deny?

stedy · 24-08-2009, 04:15 PM

confirm, basically all it does is blur

Jam0864 · 24-08-2009, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deathdoG

I read that it blurs noticeably in games, confirm deny?

My brother's got one... It's 2ms g2g, I cannot see any blur whatsoever. Looks very nice.

deathdoG · 24-08-2009, 06:34 PM

Looks like thats the one I'm gonna get

SHo · 24-08-2009, 07:00 PM

V2400W

Don't be cheap.

deathdoG · 24-08-2009, 08:15 PM

Hey SHo, FU.

iRection · 24-08-2009, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deathdoG

Hey SHo, FU.

can you beat his SHO-FU?

xr6_turbo · 25-08-2009, 05:49 AM

No noticeable difference between 2ms and 5ms and another hint Deathdog...Run it through a DVI lead....digital quality shits over analog vga leads which do create blur no matter what you buy...

DVI > VGA

NBR · 25-08-2009, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xr6_turbo

No noticeable difference between 2ms and 5ms and another hint Deathdog...Run it through a DVI lead....digital quality shits over analog vga leads which do create blur no matter what you buy...

DVI > VGA

Errr sorry, I know I should show more respect to moderators... but that is completely wrong. I can instantly feel the difference in a 2ms and 5ms screen.. the mouse movements feel alot smoother, it basically gives you that "CRT" feel on an LCD. I ESPECIALLY feel the difference seeing as I have my MS3.0E polling rate overclocked at 500Hz. I know these are niggly things, but if you are a high level gamer I HIGHLY recommend paying extra for 2ms. (Feels awesome on 1.6

, Source you don't notice it as much.)

/My input.

+<3 josh

blisteX · 25-08-2009, 07:37 AM

Spend the little bit of extra dosh and get the 2ms, otherwise you're hindering your performance really.

deathdoG · 25-08-2009, 10:01 AM

Its pretty much spend 30 dollars to get 2ms, or spend less to get 1080p :s

Still not sure, probably going BenQ atm though

gaMbLA · 25-08-2009, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBR

Errr sorry, I know I should show more respect to moderators... but that is completely wrong. I can instantly feel the difference in a 2ms and 5ms screen.. the mouse movements feel alot smoother, it basically gives you that "CRT" feel on an LCD. I ESPECIALLY feel the difference seeing as I have my MS3.0E polling rate overclocked at 500Hz. I know these are niggly things, but if you are a high level gamer I HIGHLY recommend paying extra for 2ms. (Feels awesome on 1.6

, Source you don't notice it as much.)

/My input.

+<3 josh

no your wrong, there are no screens I can think of that are 2ms b2b, there all usually 2ms g2g or 4ms-5ms b2b.

g2g is a marketing gimmick.

To some it up go BENQ, both monitors are 2MS G2G which is 5MS B2B.

god some of you are thick and get caught into the marketing gimmicks.

deathdoG · 25-08-2009, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaMbLA

no your wrong, there are no screens I can think of that are 2ms b2b, there all usually 2ms g2g or 4ms-5ms b2b.

g2g is a marketing gimmick.

To some it up go BENQ, both monitors are 2MS G2G which is 5MS B2B.

god some of you are thick and get caught into the marketing gimmicks.

MSY has discontinued the E2200HD, need to get either the G2220HD / G2220HDA or the LG 2252TQ-PF ><

Any difference between the G2220 and the E2200?

gaMbLA · 25-08-2009, 12:10 PM

BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor - $219.00 : PC Case Gear, Delivering quality computer parts Australia wide

G2220HD is the new model the E2200HD is the old model and was very average.

Get the new one its pretty much the best in its price.

Benq G2220HD Reviews

reviews on it.

another good monitor that competes with it.

not sure if its in aus though.

http://www.testfreaks.com/monitors/asus-vh222h/

LG is average

http://www.trustedreviews.com/monito...n-L227WT-PF/p1

Cloudstrike · 25-08-2009, 02:21 PM

For your price range they will all be shit TN panels (look horrible) but they refresh faster so are better for gaming!

deathdoG · 25-08-2009, 04:50 PM

g2220HD on my desk right now, ty boys, thanks gambla.

xr6_turbo · 25-08-2009, 05:19 PM

Sweet as..Tell me how you find it....I am on the hunt for some new panels
Costs and Stores would be ideal too.

iRoffle · 25-08-2009, 05:20 PM

does it show colours and stuff?

xr6_turbo · 25-08-2009, 05:22 PM

I'd hope so :P
You mean test patterns?

gaMbLA · 25-08-2009, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloudstrike

For your price range they will all be shit TN panels (look horrible) but they refresh faster so are better for gaming!

colours arn't best on TN panels I do agree, but the quality of them today are alot better, and getting better, fast response times are needed, S-PVA are for graphic design etc.

Cloudstrike · 26-08-2009, 11:16 AM

TN all the way, I have my Trinitron for anything else!

fury · 26-08-2009, 12:06 PM

Spva and IPS are good enough now easily for gaming. The response time is no longer an issue.

BUT price is.

TN are still the cheapest by far.

superior · 26-08-2009, 12:21 PM

If I was ever going to buy another gaming monitor I would get one thats native is 1600x1200, would be perfect for 800x600 in-game

23-08-2009, 10:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
deathdoG Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Age: 20 Posts: 4,389 Rep Power: 11	New monitor 21"+, need recommendations.. Do I need 2ms, or will 5ms do? Looking at LG 2252TQ-PF currently, need more alternatives. Thanks in advance

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gaMbLA Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NSW Age: 19 Posts: 2,237 Rep Power: 4	be careful cause brands like samsung measure in grey-to-grey which say 2ms g2g = 4ms black to black. so make sure 5ms is black to black not grey to grey cause then your really getting 10ms which shows motion trail. Not a fan of the LG monitors. gotten very average reviews. benq, AOC, or samsung do the job fine. I would pick out of these ones. BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor - $219 BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor [G2220HD] - $219.00 : PC Case Gear, Delivering quality computer parts Australia wide BenQ G2420HD 24in Widescreen LCD Monitor - $299 BenQ G2420HD 24in Widescreen LCD Monitor BenQ G2420HD 24in Widescreen LCD Monitor [G2420HD] - $299.00 : PC Case Gear, Delivering quality computer parts Australia wide AOC 2434Pw 23.6in Widescreen LCD AOC 2434Pw 23.6in Widescreen LCD AOC 2434Pw 23.6in Widescreen LCD [2434Pw] - $289.00 : PC Case Gear, Delivering quality computer parts Australia wide remember make sure your response time (ms) is < 10. and make sure its measured in black to black. made a mistake with my samsung which was 5ms but was g2g which gave me 10 ms b2b which gives motion trail. and constrast ratio is always 1000:1, the dynamic ratio which is now like 60000:1 is a gimmick as dynamic doesn't work well at all. __________________ Last edited by gaMbLA; 23-08-2009 at 11:27 AM..

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Woody Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sunshine coast Age: 13 Posts: 166 Rep Power: 0	eh don't get 21" They no good for anything, Spend that extra $200 And get a "25-30" Because You will not only enjoy it for gaming, but You will also enjoy it for tv. =] __________________

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deathdoG Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Age: 20 Posts: 4,389 Rep Power: 11	tyty

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Ivo GotGames Moderator Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Vic Posts: 4,100 Rep Power: 9	practically no different between [actual] 5ms and 2ms. I survived a long time on 12ms stock acer, worked fine afaik. Pick a few models you're looking at and hunt around for reviews by users and reviewers, is the best thing to do. Half the time it's impossible to tell monitors apart just by the specs these days anymore. Whirlpool often has heaps of users reporting back how their monitor puchases went. Another thing to be wary of is if you want a 16:10 1680x1050, or 16:9 1920x1080 around 22", 23" you can get both resolutions, I think its mostly personal choice which res you want these days __________________ "It wasn't a DDOS." - xr6_turbo, on syntax Last edited by Ivo; 23-08-2009 at 03:03 PM..

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zELTAH New Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Week ago got a 22" Samsung 2243BW SyncMaster... Does well for me xD

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fakeh Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: 18 yard box Age: 18 Posts: 3,156 Rep Power: 9	good thread, ill be wanting a new monitor very shortly.

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iRoffle Pro Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Adelaide Age: 18 Posts: 5,646 Rep Power: 13	i've been looking into a new monitor as well. i'm leading towards the "BenQ E2200HD" or the "BenQ G2220HD". i've skipped over these: (and a few more) New monitor BenQ G2220HD 22-inch LCD monitor - Reviews - Hardware - Monitors - LCD Monitors - PC World BenQ E2200HD 22in LCD Monitor Review - Monitor Reviews - TrustedReviews E2200HD has hdmi port and speakers, and doesn't cost that much more but it in reality it's just some gimmicks that i'll probably never use. choosing hardware is so finicky ~_~ i'll probs be happy with what ever i end up getting though D: post what monitor you end up choosing and a small review :> (i'll probably do the same) __________________ doin' flips 'n' shit #mla [ most likely anchor since 2006 ] #KAGE [ since 11/05/2008 ] aka gav/gvn/gzuz

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EUPHOBiA Senior Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: sydney Posts: 828 Rep Power: 2	inb4 gambla makes a thead about monitors __________________ POWEREDBYRiCE

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vanire_\| Junior Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 99 Rep Power: 0	I use a Samnsung 2443BW, its a great monitor.

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deathdoG Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Age: 20 Posts: 4,389 Rep Power: 11	BenQ G2220HD 21.5in Widescreen LCD Monitor - 5ms - $199 LG 2252TQ-PF 22in - 2ms - $231 Can't decide, need help again.

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deathdoG Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Age: 20 Posts: 4,389 Rep Power: 11	I read that it blurs noticeably in games, confirm deny?

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stedy Pro Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: milan Posts: 6,970 Rep Power: 13	confirm, basically all it does is blur __________________ shm0o

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deathdoG Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Age: 20 Posts: 4,389 Rep Power: 11	Looks like thats the one I'm gonna get

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deathdoG Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Age: 20 Posts: 4,389 Rep Power: 11	Hey SHo, FU.

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xr6_turbo Forum God Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Newcastle Age: 22 Posts: 22,825 Rep Power: 27	No noticeable difference between 2ms and 5ms and another hint Deathdog...Run it through a DVI lead....digital quality shits over analog vga leads which do create blur no matter what you buy... DVI > VGA __________________

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blisteX Junior Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: geelong Age: 19 Posts: 86 Rep Power: 0	Spend the little bit of extra dosh and get the 2ms, otherwise you're hindering your performance really. __________________ #rockstar

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deathdoG Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Age: 20 Posts: 4,389 Rep Power: 11	Its pretty much spend 30 dollars to get 2ms, or spend less to get 1080p :s Still not sure, probably going BenQ atm though

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gaMbLA Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NSW Age: 19 Posts: 2,237 Rep Power: 4	BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor - $219.00 : PC Case Gear, Delivering quality computer parts Australia wide G2220HD is the new model the E2200HD is the old model and was very average. Get the new one its pretty much the best in its price. Benq G2220HD Reviews reviews on it. another good monitor that competes with it. not sure if its in aus though. http://www.testfreaks.com/monitors/asus-vh222h/ LG is average http://www.trustedreviews.com/monito...n-L227WT-PF/p1 __________________

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Cloudstrike Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Adelaide Age: 15 Posts: 3,337 Rep Power: 7	For your price range they will all be shit TN panels (look horrible) but they refresh faster so are better for gaming! __________________ LAES.: if it wasnt illegal id probably punch my dad in the head LAES.: i blame him for my small penis LAES.: he must not have gotten enough protein as a child

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deathdoG Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Age: 20 Posts: 4,389 Rep Power: 11	g2220HD on my desk right now, ty boys, thanks gambla.

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xr6_turbo Forum God Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Newcastle Age: 22 Posts: 22,825 Rep Power: 27	Sweet as..Tell me how you find it....I am on the hunt for some new panels Costs and Stores would be ideal too. __________________

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iRoffle Pro Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Adelaide Age: 18 Posts: 5,646 Rep Power: 13	does it show colours and stuff? __________________ doin' flips 'n' shit #mla [ most likely anchor since 2006 ] #KAGE [ since 11/05/2008 ] aka gav/gvn/gzuz

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xr6_turbo Forum God Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Newcastle Age: 22 Posts: 22,825 Rep Power: 27	I'd hope so :P You mean test patterns? __________________

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Cloudstrike Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Adelaide Age: 15 Posts: 3,337 Rep Power: 7	TN all the way, I have my Trinitron for anything else! __________________ LAES.: if it wasnt illegal id probably punch my dad in the head LAES.: i blame him for my small penis LAES.: he must not have gotten enough protein as a child

26-08-2009, 12:06 PM	#39 (permalink)
fury GotGames Moderator Credits: 0/0 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,306 Rep Power: 8	Spva and IPS are good enough now easily for gaming. The response time is no longer an issue. BUT price is. TN are still the cheapest by far. __________________ *mN - DrP fury! Hybrid Mo3 fazz**

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superior Monster Member Credits: 0/0 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Perth, W.A. Posts: 3,370 Rep Power: 8	If I was ever going to buy another gaming monitor I would get one thats native is 1600x1200, would be perfect for 800x600 in-game