GG CSP 1 dayer thanks

[davestr1zl]

Just wanted to say thanks to the GG team for running that comp, it wasnt perfect but i guess you did the best with what you had and im sure it wasnt easy having to put up with what you did.

In all seriousness though, i honest to god rekn CMN/cevo is the worst thing ever, and im pretty sure no1 from our team will ever be playing a comp that has CMN again its just not worth it. (and ive heard similar things from other teams that i spoke to but who knows). It's just got too many bugs or problems, is way too unreliable. It's also completely dependand on disputes which - as you can see - lead too ridiculous competition delays. EAC or bust imo, if someone wants to cheat badly enough they'll pay for private cmn-proof hacks anyway.

thanks for the comp, and thanks all teams for the games. gg

[Schecken]

yeah i had heaps of fun haha

[fiShballz]

hit the nail on the head strizla

[Gunner.]

I downloaded CMN for the first time today. I logged in with my account details, chose the match, pressed Ready Up, opened the game and joined the server. How people manage to fuck that up confuses me.

Competition was good, though there were minor hiccups.

[sai]

GG to nordland, very intense games. Wish I didn't have a blackout for 6rounds..lol

[esjay]

gg to holo for sportmanship in the face of defeat

[doe]

You just gotta learn to cop it on the chin dave, we've been copping it for 2 yrs now.

[Tom]

cmn is actually the worst --__--""

[Jayson]

EAC such a good Anti-Cheat that it doesn't actually support CS:ProMod therefore not making it even considerable for the competition.

[doe]

cmn made css ded

[sequaL]

who won.?

[Lock]

Im lost as to how there were no $800 configs on the server? (start of day). As for disputes, i dont think it has anything to do with cmn. A dispute in any comp would cause delays.

[Twelve-60]

Thanks davestr1zl (and others), this won't be the last

Originally Posted by Lock

Im lost as to how there were no $800 configs on the server? (start of day). As for disputes, i dont think it has anything to do with cmn. A dispute in any comp would cause delays.

They were there, but were not being executed. I quickly fixed that though

- Twelve-60

[cbR]

yer cheers to gotgames - syntax, 12, fitzy, vex + other admins was great fun look forward to competing in another odc cheers fellas. wp nordland 2g.

[BurtoN]

Yeah I hardly ever see the gg team get thanked. Thanks heaps for today fellas, was so much fun. I don't understand personally how people manage to have problems using cmn because every time i've used it, whether it be from a lan cafe or at home it has been fine. It did seem to happen to everyone today though.

Thanks again, so god damn keen for the next one. Btw 1260 gglive makes my dick move.

[arise]

thankyou gotgames. had an enjoyable day

[jamiec]

Originally Posted by doe

You just gotta learn to cop it on the chin dave, we've been copping it for 2 yrs now.

Jovan has copped it the most hence the abnormalities and swelling caused by CMN.

[amuseG]

just sad eM have to cheat.

[davestr1zl]

Originally Posted by Gunner.

I downloaded CMN for the first time today. I logged in with my account details, chose the match, pressed Ready Up, opened the game and joined the server. How people manage to fuck that up confuses me.

Competition was good, though there were minor hiccups.

when it refuses to let players go ready, keeps them as semi-ready and crashes their cs every round, aswell as others with ridiculous ping spikes all day even after setting the net speed to slow in the profile - wtf are we supposed to do?

and if EAC isnt supported by CSP then find another anticheat that is, CMN is just plain awful, im also not a fan of the whole cevo thing as it makes following the comp really crap but whatever

[amuseG]

nicely spoken davidstrizl.

[amuseG]

CMN is soo baad, crashed all day, it let eM cheat furiously and yer EAC is the way to go, kta.

[Faded.]

HOW DO IZ WORK DA SEMEN

[SubNoize]

Originally Posted by davestr1zl

when it refuses to let players go ready, keeps them as semi-ready and crashes their cs every round, aswell as others with ridiculous ping spikes all day even after setting the net speed to slow in the profile - wtf are we supposed to do?

and if EAC isnt supported by CSP then find another anticheat that is, CMN is just plain awful, im also not a fan of the whole cevo thing as it makes following the comp really crap but whatever

To be honest i had the exact same argument as you when we first picked up CEVO/CMN.

Its laggy as shit (ecspecially when i was in the same team as my bro, 2xcss 2xcmn 2xVent off the same connection) that shit gets real laggy.

Its upsetting they don't put a test server up before competitions (so people can iron out any problems they may have)

but once you learn how to set it up (profile to slow, use netlimiter to slow it down so it wont hog bandwidth, if your on vista/7 you need to wait for it to finish scanning the pc before you can join a server or you can't ready)

after a few seasons of playing with it i'd much rather use it then not, i know people who want to cheat will and are going to regardless of CMN but its nice to know it takes care of most of the idiots (especially when someone gets banned and you've known they have cheated for ages)

I think if you ever do play another comp you will have more time etc to get everything ready and hopefully its more enjoyable

if it crashes its because video card settings that error java, anti aliasing needs to be application controlled or something.

i would like to see a writeup on how to set-up CMN from the admin team. explaining all the little tips we have picked up over the past years (e.g. setting your profile to slow connection)

[davestr1zl]

Originally Posted by SubNoize

To be honest i had the exact same argument as you when we first picked up CEVO/CMN.

Its laggy as shit (ecspecially when i was in the same team as my bro, 2xcss 2xcmn 2xVent off the same connection) that shit gets real laggy.

Its upsetting they don't put a test server up before competitions (so people can iron out any problems they may have)

but once you learn how to set it up (profile to slow, use netlimiter to slow it down so it wont hog bandwidth, if your on vista/7 you need to wait for it to finish scanning the pc before you can join a server or you can't ready)

after a few seasons of playing with it i'd much rather use it then not, i know people who want to cheat will and are going to regardless of CMN but its nice to know it takes care of most of the idiots (especially when someone gets banned and you've known they have cheated for ages)

I think if you ever do play another comp you will have more time etc to get everything ready and hopefully its more enjoyable

if it crashes its because video card settings that error java.

we had 2 people, 1 with windows 7 1 with windows xp, who both werent able to ever get to a fully ready state, and as a result their cs would crash about every 1-2 mins when set in the half-ready state. They did literally everything they possibly could and had the entire day to attempt solving it but it wasnt possible to do.

[SubNoize]

Originally Posted by davestr1zl

we had 2 people, 1 with windows 7 1 with windows xp, who both werent able to ever get to a fully ready state, and as a result their cs would crash about every 1-2 mins when set in the half-ready state. They did literally everything they possibly could and had the entire day to attempt solving it but it wasnt possible to do.

yeah, the program really shouldn't do that. and its frustrating i know i spent ages trying to get mine to work(the first time i loaded it). (we had someone who his anti virus (panda i think it was) kept killing his cmn.

thats why a test server would be helpful.

although gotgames would probably have to pay for EAC which would hurt the community.

[SPUNJ]

as much as it can be a pain over 100 teams last season were able to use CMN and there were obviously some problems but for the majority i believe problems were minimal. the issues with the program today was on CEVO.US end but with the players not being able to join that just sucks ~_~

edit

i do think EAC is good and GG should look to incorporate with its pug system

[SubNoize]

EAC is expensive

[FroxZen]

Cybergamer is using EAC this season =]

[davestr1zl]

If theres problems with EAC or its not viable or too expensive thats fine, then use a different anticheat. No anticheat is perfect, and pretty much most/all of them will get rid of the randy public cheat users. To anyone who actually wants to cheat and pay for them they will be able to bypass whatever they want - so using some fucking annoying software that doesnt work (CMN) just to have a tiny increase in % of cheaters caught just plain isnt worth it imo.

[amuseG]

EAC is not too xpensive, holy shit, if it can stop eM cheating its worth it!

[SubNoize]

Originally Posted by davestr1zl

If theres problems with EAC or its not viable or too expensive thats fine, then use a different anticheat. No anticheat is perfect, and pretty much most/all of them will get rid of the randy public cheat users. To anyone who actually wants to cheat and pay for them they will be able to bypass whatever they want - so using some fucking annoying software that doesnt work (CMN) just to have a tiny increase in % of cheaters caught just plain isnt worth it imo.

thats what i used to think, but when you see players get banned who admit they have paid subscriptions to the "top two" cheating sites then it does make it worth it somewhat.

[vex]

Originally Posted by amuseG

EAC is not too xpensive, holy shit, if it can stop eM cheating its worth it!

Enough. Or your not welcome on these forums.

Submit a demo to source bans or get over it.

[davestr1zl]

Originally Posted by SubNoize

thats what i used to think, but when you see players get banned who admit they have paid subscriptions to the "top two" cheating sites then it does make it worth it somewhat.

Like who? how often does that actually happen? (serious question as im not in the know). Is it really worth banning like 1 extra cheater a year for a fuckload of hassle every single comp with unfixable lag and an anticheat thats literally unusable for some people?

[vex]

Originally Posted by davestr1zl

Like who? how often does that actually happen? (serious question as im not in the know). Is it really worth banning like 1 extra cheater a year for a fuckload of hassle every single comp with unfixable lag and an anticheat thats literally unusable for some people?

It's banned people we could never catch.

But I do agree, EAC is awesome but is it that good?

[amuseG]

i honestly think, gotgames should look into EAC, this is talking maturely

[11411181]

Short answer, no.
Long answer, not really no.

It's touted as some magical fix-all solution to everything by those ignorant of how these things work.
CMN being java-based is rather....well, java isn't exactly the nicest solution in the programming world, but hey, you gotta work with what you know.

[davestr1zl]

Originally Posted by vex

It's banned people we could never catch.

But I do agree, EAC is awesome but is it that good?

In terms of catching cheaters - i honestly dont know whats better, from what ive heard CMN is? but as i said before even if one is better than the other, the number of cheaters that one would catch that the other wouldnt would have to be so minimal (id imagine atleast).

In terms of ease of use - well it actually works, and doesnt cause people to lag. If eM didnt allow 2 of our players to not use CMN in that grand final, then that final wouldnt have been played. Is that really worth it? I think all of the specs/players would have been pretty disappointed if the final wasnt played (it was only played because we didnt use CMN).

As i said if EAC isnt viable then look at something else, just as long as its not CMN.

[vex]

EAC / CMN are the only decent anti cheats that are harder to bypass then others.

[dblstR]

Cmn has been annoying forever, but to be honest i think ive only had issues with it once in the last few years ive had to use it.

Bring back octinium or novacap ftw! haha.

[SubNoize]

Originally Posted by davestr1zl

Like who? how often does that actually happen? (serious question as im not in the know). Is it really worth banning like 1 extra cheater a year for a fuckload of hassle every single comp with unfixable lag and an anticheat thats literally unusable for some people?

Well, it bans a few dipshits every now and then, if anything its more a deterrent. If someone gets banned for a year for cheating this little 15 year old kid will be less likely to cheat because he is scared he will be caught.

Might not work with everyone but if you give a group of people an option to rob a bank (cheat) with a couple of cops (VAC) sitting around there is obviously a large chance they will do it.

Over the scenario where its the same but they have say the FBI sitting there watching them enter the bank...