SnD or 4v4

[rap_2nd]

make xp ladder. dont need to schedule games just and idea

Wouldn't it be sweet... I never knew what a xp ladder was until a 4 - 7 days ago and i must say, it is beast.

[Twilife]

Wasn't one of the reason we canned the idea of an XP ladder on CG because we just weren't big enough, like the U.S. or Europe? How the heck is that going to work with GG! Sure we can rebuild and you can argue it'd bring new players but there are only so many competitive xbox players in Aus.

Also if we were to build new ladders, just think - they may get here in 2 years time.

Btw this poll is pointless, unofficial and will be inconclusive.

[~kritikal]

wow this argument is just stupid the most competitive game type is the gametype with the better prizes...!

[Fray Woodzy]

Pod u are correct, most people do try harder when there's more money involved. Unless GG get some money off activision then they prob won't top cg's cgi prize pool.

Cg hasn't touched prizes for 4v4 so if GG did then there u go better comp then cg. That means people take GG more serious.

What will happen to GG if it has less prize money will be similar to what happened to cg in cod 4 days. I.e GG offered money so naturally the teams took a lot more emphasis on GG and I can say that the last seasn of GG cod 4 was better then all cg's cod 4 seasons combined because of the fact that uprising my team and the other fray team all wanted to win so badly.

Soon as GG was over we had cg semis in which we fucked around and the GF was played and uprising didn't even try.

This could potentially happen to GG, either way ill still play just don't want cg to dominate even though I love CG its always better to have sites competiting for dominance rather then 1 just owning

[Dazed]

I'd like to point out that the type of people that play the US rulesets are the people who get owned by Aussies then pull their cables and such then proceed to go into dispute on GB where their argument is simply "they're Australian" to which the admins sometimes grant the win to said Americans.

[Fray Woodzy]

Americans are fuckwits no doubt but they do have a very good 4v4 ruleset. Only problem is the ban very few guns so the ump gets whored

[Butler]

The thing is copying there ruleset isn't going to help us.. because of the lag we will never be able to play against them or with them properly. Gamebattles gives Aussies losses because they are that stupid that they think us lagging is our advantage.

Unless by some miracle 1 team gets chosen to fly over there and verse them but i can't see it happening.

Run both ladders. If the 4v4 ladder is made the main ladder then you will get about 5 or 6 of the best teams join and about 2 of them will put enough effort in to win.

[Dazed]

GG will run 2 ladders, 4v4 and 5v5. Once prizes and such have been confirmed we'll gauge where the community is at but right now as it stands 5v5 is the main competition.

[Butler]

i dont have one either bud....

Then stop complaining.. all i hear from you and buzzin is about how it's all about the headset.

[Dazed]

Then stop complaining.. all i hear from you and buzzin is about how it's all about the headset.

agreed, either shut up or go and buy a headset if u really want to win and u believe that's all there is to it.

[Fray Woodzy]

Actually cg's ruleset is gamebattles/decerto except we ban machine pistols and a few other guns. U didn't realise that?

Also ill name some teams now off the top of me head who wanna give 4v4 a fair go:
1.mlc (goose's team)
2.mlc (pods team)
3.fray lgnds
4.my team
5.KL
6.MW
7.Get some
8.Enigma
9.Flueys team (dunno name they change it everyday lol)
10.Nvus

That's me naming 10 teams off my head who seem to be fairly keen on 4v4.

And tell me if im wrong but GG would want an inv league with around 8 to 12 teams?

There's 10 without me doing research and im sure there's more.

Also dazed u can run both comps, not saying u can't but if use want a leg up on cg then putting decent money into 4v4 is your only option.

GG has always imo had more competitive ladders/comps because of the money.

Not many people like this site and there are prob 1 or 2 threads a week which suggest most people don't view this site often. People stayed on here because of how competitive it was and the cash, if cg has more cash then wats the incentive to come on here then besides have a bit of fun?

Have both with money, u will atleast have 1 comp with more money on the line then cg that way. But I think it won't be long before rohizzle gets p2p 4v4's.

He's already got the wheels rolling by taking on acl's online legs

[Dazed]

fluey's team.. yeah right daniel and co cant stand 4v4.

[Butler]

out of those 10 flueys team and prob KL wouldn't play.. or wouldn't be that involved.

In fact i would almost put money on it that over half those teams wouldn't put in the effort needed to win it.

Oh iNS. would be in it.. as we have said many times we would play both

[Dazed]

Yeah iNS. will be in it to win it as long as there is something worth winning.

afterall they've got self proclaimed best in AUS Michael "dazed" Treybrooke in their lineup

[Butler]

thats disgusting

[Fray Woodzy]

Fake loves 4v4, fluey enjoys it aswell? And I haven't checked their roster lately but gmoney etc love it.

Sheilds has stated he will be fielding a team at acl which takes effort when playing online takes half of that. So why wouldn't he play it?

Tell me which half wouldn't put in the effort? Both fray and mlc teams will be lanning so therefore like it, get some only focus on 4v4.

And players in all the other teams have showed interest or said they will go to an acl event if they can.

Everyday custom 4v4's occur and without fail if u ask sum1 to play they jump at the idea.

Its growing very fast and if acl takes off which is doubtfull then it will take over search.

I used to love me search and mw2 just put me off it. If demo ctf etc was in cod 4 id still prefer search but this game doesn't compare to cod 4.

Every1 who has said snd over 4v4 are the players who are either not a 4v4 team or arnt interested in it competitivly

[FaKe NZ]

defo hit 4v4 hard no chance competing with CG search i say bring on 4v4 rather than go half and half and not do the job properly just really dedicate to 1.

[Dazed]

Sheilds has stated he will be fielding a team at acl which takes effort when playing online takes half of that. So why wouldn't he play it?

Every1 who has said snd over 4v4 are the players who are either not a 4v4 team or arnt interested in it competitivly

I am in Shields team for ACL and will be attending.

[Butler]

Fake loves 4v4, fluey enjoys it aswell?
Every1 who has said snd over 4v4 are the players who are either not a 4v4 team or arnt interested in it competitivly

I voted snd and i have said i would play both so thats not true.

Im interested in it competitively i don't think GG should put all there money into an unproven gametype

[zzzzz]

Look at how many guns are banned in 4v4 to SnD.
Look at how versatile the players can be in 7 rounds of 4v4(search) than SnD.
Look at how random players can be to clutch in 4v4(ctf,demo and search) to SnD.

Look at how basic SnD is.
Look at how shit SnD is on Mw2.

Could keep bringing these look at how shit all day.

[Fray Woodzy]

GG could offer $1500 for any gametype besides search and still get over 10 competitive teams.

What I mean by this is that it aint gotta be proven butler to be successful, u could have a tdm ladder on here with cash and people will take it serious as nowhere else has tdm with cash prizes.

Snd is already dominated by CG, for GG to survive and threaten cg in a way that they get a bit worried by GG is if they do a gametype that CG doesn't have cash for and the best option is 4v4.

Also the game is proven, if it wasn't then vanzr wouldn't be dumb enough to put its rules into acl. He could of opted for search only cause of how much it has dominated aus cod in the past but like others he sees how good 4v4's could be if taken serious. And atm not many teams do that is correct butler but its only cause CG offer nothing unlike snd where u go good there's ur spot in cgi, cgm.

[zzzzz]

CSS is one of the most sound dependant games ever but it's still one of the best competitive/balanced ones. Sound isn't the problem with Mw2, it's just a shit game with shit maps so i understand that SnD is boring to some. I still think it's the best competitive game type though.

I've never liked 4v4/perks though. Doesn't feel competitive to me.

You can not compare 1.6/source to cod.. cs is balance and cod is isn't.

Can you throw a grenade of a 3 story building in cs and kill someone? no you can't if a grenade lands at your feet in cs you will lose 60-90hp depending on how much impact you take from the grenade..

What is good about cs is that you have to earn money to buy your guns, flashes, smokes and ammo(css you dont). which in cod you can just make a class in the pregame lobby and there you go, where not pc kritikal where you choose a gun in the game. so comparing it to cod is just down right stupid.

If you want it like PC then go back to it.

[Butler]

You didn't read what he said at all. He said CSS is the most sound dependent game and it was still huge.

He was replying to the continuous complaints from certain members about sound whoring being such a big deal. He never said anything about wanting the ruleset or anything to be like PC

[Twilife]

Interesting. This ladder wait is just too long. Might get in GG's ear about running a RR already. Problem is, highly doubt anyone will sponsor a competition run on forums with no ladders as seeds or to show the sites activity. P2P plus some generous donor would be nice.

[zzzzz]

But how isn't sound a problem with Mw2?

You change your weapon makes a noise, you reload makes a noise, you walk makes a noise, you full of a little step because there are no stairs you make a noise, you make the slightest step you make a noise.

how isn't the sound not a problem in mw2?

[Butler]

Cod 4 was the same just with less rubble and shit.

Sure i wish we could get rid of all that crap but we can't.

I don't see how running around with ninja pro is more skillful. Sure it will make the game more fast paced but it will also help players that don't know how to play snd.

Anyways i cbf anymore, i will play what ever is chosen.

[Twilife]

Because people make sound when they move in real life. Such is reflected in this game. Sound isn't a problem, just like in CS. It's apart of the game, and of the 'real world'. Albeit, tiny steps making big noises can be a little frustrating but there's usually ways to counter it i.e. back of zee Big Red building on Karachi, that 'big' step underneath the balconies can be countered.

I'm done for today, PC is broken. So I'll read more when I get it fixed, possibly later today.

[zzzzz]

Because people make sound when they move in real life, are you seriously going to say that to me?

Alright can you chuck a grenade over a 3 story building and land it 200 metres down the track?
Does all your bullets go straight after a certain period of distance?

There are mainy things that game creators put in that aren't exactly the "Real World" they do this to benefit the all round audience. Thats how they ruin games they don't think about the competitive players.. And they surely dont think about what 3 guns will generally be used in no perks half health search and destroy.

MLG looks at entertainment.. but when you see PC Cod frag movies how often do you see 4 people getting dropped within 15seconds from 1 guy? Because PC Cod tryed to manipulate CS but this will never happen on the 360 with our ruleset.

[PodX12]

Look both are good but IMO 4v4 is more suited 2 mw2 than 5v5

[Fray Envious]

Wherever the competition/money comps go is where most teams will go.
If you have to go from SnD to playing 4v4 then so be it, you'll just need some time to get used to the gametypes and get to know them better...
Some of the gametypes may not be what I prefer but i'll still play them none the less.

[Buzzin]

Dazed is just scared to move to 4v4 because he knows his team wont have a chance Plus hed have to actually out skill someone not just hear them.

[Rohizle]

Buzzin just wants 4v4 on GG, cause he is banned from everywhere else.

Put up a proper argument FFS. Sound can make you good in S&D, but there is so much more to it than just a "Headset Gametype".

[Buzzin]

Banned from everywhere else?

[DejaVuw]

I voted for 5v5 but honestly don't care what is chosen I like both equally, But as other's have said if GG wants to compete with CG, Then 4v4 with big prize money is the answer IMO.

[I GooseJuice I]

I voted SnD straight up - But reading what Woodzy and friends have had to say, they've brought up some pretty valid points. GG really does have to devote all of it's interest into 4v4 if they don't want to go down in the CoD4 history books of a good version of AXB.

[PsYch0ticAu55ie]

Oh no he deedint

[Dazed]

Dazed is just scared to move to 4v4 because he knows his team wont have a chance Plus hed have to actually out skill someone not just hear them.

Nice bait attempt.

[Buzzin]

you srs? lol

[~kritikal]

Dazed is just scared to move to 4v4 because he knows his team wont have a chance Plus hed have to actually out skill someone not just hear them.

hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

and ziggy you completely missed my point and went off on some unrelated tangent

[x kryptoN x]

majority of australians play 5v5 SnD because its all they've ever known..

4v4 is a lot of fun and is somthing fresh.

This website is pretty much dead and if you brighten it up and offer new great ideas for a large group of people more members will flood in and compete.

Or you could always drain the game.

Oh and im not competing on this website im just giving an opinion cos im halfway through my english assignment and bored as poss