SnD or 4v4

[Dazed]

GG as you all know has a mass amount of pressure on it atm to get a ruleset/gametype that the people want.

CG recently took activision as a sponsor, joined up with acl and has already announced a cgi and cgm comp.

So how should GG respond?
I told dazed the only way GG will survive is if it decided to take on 4v4 (demo ctf snd) over the traditional 5v5 snd.

4v4 is the fastest growing competitive gametype and if dazed and twi don't take it more serious and decides to run snd then GG will prob end up being another axb.

Dazed will update this thread with a poll asking what use would prefer, 4v4 or snd?

Untill he does post here what you would rather see. And if use are like me and wanna see GG survive then the community needs to get what it wants.

And 4v4 could be that. So give ur imput ladies

Discuss

[rap_2nd]

both

[Rohizle]

both

EDIT: Also, i cant resist, but how is GG going to continue if its just reacting from other sites moves, which are arguably doing it bigger and better?

[Fray Woodzy]

Naturally they will go both but with all sites 1 gametype gets more hype over the other etc. That's what im getting at what do use see as more important etc

[Dazed]

both

EDIT: Also, i cant resist, but how is GG going to continue if its just reacting from other sites moves, which are arguably doing it bigger and better?

How is GG reacting to other sites moves??

woodzy created a thread but didnt include a poll, i simply copied his post and turned it into a poll thread.

[Twilife]

GG has been and still is sponsored by Activision thankfully. Hoping we can get something out of that for MW2 comps. At the moment we'll obviously be hitting up S&D as the main ruleset. This poll is obviously used to see which ruleset the community would prefer. Will be interesting to look at who actually votes.

[dReam_]

Woodzy - 'I told dazed the only way GG will survive is if it decided to take on 4v4 (demo ctf snd) over the traditional 5v5 snd'.
Look at CG -
- Amount of teams on S&D ladder compared to 4v4
- Amount of competition on S&D compared to 4v4
- Amount of publicity such as shoutcasts
- Amount of hype for CGi S&D compared to CGi 4v4.

Although its growing quickly i dont think it will reach the caliber of S&D anytime soon.
Now why would we replace S&D with 4v4...?

For me anyway, it seems that there is only a handful of teams interested in competing seriously on the 4v4 ladder which is your MLC, Fray, KL etc. And still it seems they put more effort into S&D.

[Fray Woodzy]

The vote is to see personal preference so then if both ladders are done they can look and see which gametype they could potentially give preference to depends on what community wants I guess.

Cg's main gametype is naturally search but they are starting to swing to 4v4's a bit more which is good.

[Fray Woodzy]

Didn't u just say to have 4v4 then state it won't reach same level as snd? Lol

[dReam_]

:S Whhhhaa?

'I told dazed the only way GG will survive is if it decided to take on 4v4 (demo ctf snd) over the traditional 5v5 snd' <<< If your talking about that, thats your MSG to Dazed. If not you have lost me sir.

[Twilife]

Anyway, we'll see how this goes. So let's see, Woodzy is gonna msg all his 4v4 buddies to vote and Dazed is gonna msg all his SND buddies to vote. So really, it's a popularity contest for people other than rulesets :P

GG polls are flawed because it isn't regularly visited, CG polls are flawed because they're too regularly visited haha. It's good that we can see who voted for what though.

[Rohizle]

I really hate going off topic, but woodzy's post relates to what CG and ACL are doing, and what GG needs to do to survive. You must feel similar, because you made the topic/poll for discussion a bit more official, GG has to have some plan or goals.

What will GG do to set itself apart. I cant see it surviving if its doing the same thing as other sites but on a smaller scale, along with all the other issues you guys are having.

[Twilife]

Get 7k for a comp again? That'd set itself apart from all sites regardless of ruleset. Now to rub the lamp and see what occurs.


PS: I hope people don't actually take that seriously.

[Dazed]

YEAH HYBRID OWNZZ

[Fray Woodzy]

To quote sum1: " help us obi one hybrodi your GG's only hope" lol.

Really but GG either has to have more money the cg, beat its snd ruleset which can't see happening as every1 is happy with it. Or adopt 4v4 as main gametype as cg will have snd as its top prioity for atleast 6 months.

Plenty of time to churn something out.

[~kritikal]

everyone loves 4v4 for some reason now so you may as well do it

fucking awful gametypes though, will seal the deal on me quitting lol

[Fray Woodzy]

Every1 loves it because its fun, fast paced, unlimited lives, coms are very important, strats stil play a part and its something new.

Search has been played since long long ago and its just as good if not better as snd.

[~kritikal]

yeah i know. i just dont like it.

[Dazed]

we're becoming americans.. wow

[PodX12]

U guys from British?

I personally love both they are equal the only thing that ruins snd for me is the health 2 easy 2 kill they have the same aspects in player skill and strat

[Pookebab]

Snd weve played it too long to just give it up.

[Swan]

5v5 is boring need a headset and need to strat .4v4 = more teams + more fun

[Dazed]

5v5 is boring need a headset and need to strat .4v4 = more teams + more fun

so you want to do less work so you can have more of a chance at winning..

cool.

[its the gmoney]

Both enjoyable.

and maybe, if gotgames cannot match the prize money of cybergamer, that taking a different option could be better.

As 4v4 on CG is mainly seen as a fun ladder (even though it has possibilities of being amazingly competitive), gotgames, could make 4v4 very competitive, by including prize money, shoutcasting and just the aura of it being gotgames.

[PsYch0ticAu55ie]

Yea I enjoy both, but like Gmoney said it could be the thing GG needs right now

[Butler]

5v5 is boring need a headset and need to strat .4v4 = more teams + more fun

What? rapture is in the top ranked team on cg atm for snd and he plays better without his headset. Infact he doens't use it anymore.

Loki is one of the best players i have played with and he has never had sound. There is multiple others that dont have sound or dont need sound.

Yes having a headset helps but u don't 'need' one. Thats just stupid.

As for 4v4 being more fun if there is more teams well maybe it will be.. for about a season or 2. Then everyone will start putting effort in to it (other than just anX) and then teams will lose that don't like losing and all of a sudden we will be chasing a new gametype.

[~kritikal]

CSS is one of the most sound dependant games ever but it's still one of the best competitive/balanced ones. Sound isn't the problem with Mw2, it's just a shit game with shit maps so i understand that SnD is boring to some. I still think it's the best competitive game type though.

I've never liked 4v4/perks though. Doesn't feel competitive to me.

[budgey]

4v4 competitive ova SnD R U SERIAL. its just a fill in between SnD matches. No offence but wow. Its almost like Tests vs 20/20, 20/20 is a bit of fun but tests are where the real men play.

[Ryano]

I agree 100% with Rohi here - GG isn't going to do well by taking on CG's comps head on.

I've posted this about fifty times in other threads, but GG needs to start thinking about smaller comps, instant prizes, and different leagues. Keep them short, run them on the forums for fuck's sake!

This ladder has been coming for three thousand years - you don't need a slick website to have a good competition...

[PsYch0ticAu55ie]

Snd is the more hard out commited game, where as the 4v4s are fun, you can just jump straight in and play without much prep. I think maybe just have both, prizes for the 4v4 but not as much the Snd, dont see anything other than Snd being number 1

[Fray Woodzy]

Budgy i usually agree with you but like ive said b4 we are pretty much the only gaming comunity who hold snd higher then the likes of 4v4 etc.

Prob cause no1 wants to change which is understandable

[dReam_]

We dont have to be like other countries...

[budgey]

oh noes not the change get me away from the CHANGE AHHHHHHHHH. Nah thats not it. 4v4 is just fun and easy I could never take it serious and if it ever became mainstream as it is said to be Im outta here. Ive just started playin CSS on the PC and am enjoying it almost as much as when I first played cod 2. Albiet Im almost as good as when I first started playing but I can see myself playin it a bit more than MW2.

[Twilife]

Wonder if the yanks and euro's ever played with a ruleset like ours? SND 20-24 rounds, no perks etc. Gay guns removed etc. Probably not or...they have and they decided they wanted the AK74u and UMP?

[rap_2nd]

We dont have to be like other countries...

exactly.

[budgey]

they probably havent experienced that feelin of playing our ruleset. Its like a fuckin drama. cryin ragin lovin hatin all thrown into 40mins of headshots dropshots halo jumps and fuckin chin bullshit. nuthin like it i reckon in gaming.

[~kritikal]

I do not feel competitive playing with perks and running around like a retard barely thinking about anything. Sure theres skill involved and smarts but it's pretty much just logic.

I'm not scared of change or any of that bullshit i just think it's a bad competitive play style. I think we are ahead of other countries in our play style already. I've watched the euros and the yanks play and it's fucking horrible to watch.

The biggest downfall with any competitive play in MW2 at all is the game itself.

[PodX12]

wow this argument is just stupid the most competitive game type is the gametype with the better prizes...!

[Swan]

What? rapture is in the top ranked team on cg atm for snd and he plays better without his headset. Infact he doens't use it anymore.

Loki is one of the best players i have played with and he has never had sound. There is multiple others that dont have sound or dont need sound.

Yes having a headset helps but u don't 'need' one. Thats just stupid.

As for 4v4 being more fun if there is more teams well maybe it will be.. for about a season or 2. Then everyone will start putting effort in to it (other than just anX) and then teams will lose that don't like losing and all of a sudden we will be chasing a new gametype.

i dont have one either bud....

[Swan]

make xp ladder. dont need to schedule games just and idea