GG MW2 S&D Ladder Ruleset - Discussion

[Twilife]

Thank you people for all your wisdom. Keep on giving input and we'll come up with some decisions shortly. Time to go hassle people about ladders.

[zzzzz]

Vector doesn't need to go, its a random gun it changes every time you shoot it. It can be good a long and than it can be shit at long, same as within close range. As well the MP5 should be more of a dominate gun over the Vector as it has a higher rate of fire in close range combat.

[PsYch0ticAu55ie]

Yea sub base is a sicko map

[II xBloodZ II]

im suprised no one has mentioned the famas?

the thing ive noticed when using it and getting killed by it is that it doesnt even take a full burst to kill someone?

it may be burst fire but its rate of fire between and during bursts is still pretty excessive,

downside to removing this would add less variety to weapons, and might lead to whoring the m16 (it might, but probably wouldnt). the m16 though takes a clean burst to kill someone with a slower rate of fire.

imo hud on, ive explained my opinions too many times on cg on this matter and cbf rewriting or searching for the post

5 sec defuse puts a bit more pressure onto the attacking team after planting the bomb, it forces them to stay closer instead of wandering off and waiting 5 seconds before they pop out to shoot the person on the bombsite

[BakedPotatoLive]

Not too sure about that, many times I've been right in someone's face, hit them with a FAMAS burst only to walk away with merely a tag.

[Buzzin]

Famas is a weird gun sometimes the time you will kill someone with less then a burst some you wont, still you cant just ban every gun because its good and you get killed by it.

Keep the p&d at 7.5 it will change the whole game up for the worse i reckon just keep as is.

[Twilife]

Myeah changing it does worry me. It's quite possible lowering the defuse etc could just put the Attacking side at more of a disadvantage than it already is. Attackers wouldn't be able to stray too far from the bomb, they'd have to check it quicker meaning fake defuses would determine rounds a bit more probably. The plant time, usually if you get it 5 seconds down you're gonna get 7.5. Wouldn't really change much except make the Defenders a bit more wary (probably a good thing considering Defending is generally easier on the majority of maps, not all of course)

[FluenZa]

vector is poo

ACR is poo

if its not band...expect my team to whore the shit out of them and piss everyone off

[Dazed]

vector is poo

ACR is poo

if its not band...expect my team to whore the shit out of them and piss everyone off

wouldnt expect any less

[budgey]

haha f2000 ban that so flu doesnt whore that u random

[PodX12]

acr and vector are useless neway so weatheer or not u remove them they aint gonna get whore acr is a tag machine so is the vector. MP5K and FAMAS dom them both so i dnt c the harm in leaving them in either way dsnt bother me never use acr or vector Horrible IMO

[its the gmoney]

If you don't believe the ACR is whored and OP, listen to the fray v GT shoutcast.

[PodX12]

yeah i am gonna motion for it and the vector 2 b banned

[zzzzz]

vector not banned.
acr idc if banned.

[Th3 xSaintx]

I think Bio and Ryano can't tell the differences between guns. We had 2 ACR users and they were Donkey and Guardian the rest had an SMG, M16 and a FAMAS. GT did have 4 ACR users at 1 stage LOL.

Depends on the map really. Ban them if you want doesn't bother us the slightest.

[PodX12]

i also think flashes should be removed and maybe also symtex...or just not allowed on def because these 2 things help def more than attack in the last 2 days in scrims i have lost 3 rounds due 2 being flashed 3 times or more cosecutively is complete bs

[Twilife]

No flashes is pretty drastic, would need some trialling.

[I xLoGiKx I]

semtex = over powered

M16 Takes more skill than the FAMAS.

[x M4RSHY x]

i reckon terminal needs to be taken out until the glitches are patched.
take out the vector, spray with high accuracy big enough clip for it to not matter about DPS
semtex are just BS on the range, they should be in bold aswell

[Ryano]

ACR isn't overpowered. It will be outshot by famas/m16 at range, and will be a close match against M4 up close.

Each gun has its pro/con. Am waiting for the TAR21 to be whored tbh

[Twilife]

Yeah, I don't think the ACR's power is the concern, its the pinpoint accuracy after holding the trigger for a whole clip. Thought n Pop use the TAR a heap for us.

Yeah semtex is questionable. The more we take stuff out, the more it seems like COD4 with new maps - which is pretty much what most people would've preferred heh.

[PodX12]

its not that we want it 2 b like cod 4 but things that are just homo like semtex 2x flash just make its so noob friendly and not competitive flashes are a great way 2 attack and help heaps on attack but when ur on def u dnt need flashes or smoke most of the time so u chuck on ur 2 x flash and u get flashed by attackers u just flash em back...and screw this shit about lookin at the bomb on def we think their there we will just flash the bomb first....the 2xflash is the biggest flop of the game 2 date besides secondary guns eg machine pistols

[Twilife]

I'd have preferred COD4 with new maps to be honest. Perhaps a graphics upgrade in there too heh. Frags only, flash and smoke only, m16, intervention, mp5, ak47 only - that's pretty much a whinge-free ruleset barring perhaps the flashes. Goes straight back to COD4 but is probably the most competitive gun-ruling to use and play with.

[zzzzz]

I like the change, i wouldn't want it to be like cod4 - im pretty much over the game. If it was like cod4 i would just be doing CGo season 1 and then quit all together.

[Th3 xSaintx]

If you make the game more boring then it is getting im going to BF pretty much over the current rulesets that are deemed 'competive'

[PodX12]

what are you over in the current rule set for me its flashes with the tag marker u having 2 of them being flashed for 4 secs ect they are bs

[Twilife]

If you make the game more boring then it is getting im going to BF pretty much over the current rulesets that are deemed 'competive'

Current rulesets are boring, I see. Really, do suggest something to make it less boring! Whilst not being completely shit i.e. perks and such.

Tag marker is a little annoying, esp when its one guy left and you throw a flash are 'yep he's at A go to B' but like people have said the tag marker can be really misleading i.e. guy flashes you barely, you lose no vision at all but he gets a tag and rushes you thinking you're blind etc.

Btw take my words as discussion, not 'what we intend to do'

[PodX12]

no matter what that tag means no sound tho not so if u get rushed ur less aware and if its from behind u got no clue...seriously 1v3 clutch the other day i planted the bomb no sooner i could get up i got flashed so i prone waiting for it to go 2 sec later flashed again 2 sec later flashed for a third time then knifed not saying i would of won but it removes all skill from that...u can also get flashed through certain objects

[Twilife]

I think removing them would take a step towards more 'competitive' but also more 'boring' and probably make the game only last a season or 2. Valid points though. Btw yes I can be terribly wrong so feel free to say mean things.

[PodX12]

i reckon it would b better and less boring with rushes working again clutches being less one sided towards the guys with flashes and bring skill comms ect back into play leave everything else but flashes need to go.

[Th3 xSaintx]

Throw smoke and rush. How fun.

[PodX12]

Throw smoke and rush. How fun.

r u daft...wow flashes are the major killer of rushes in mw2. how fun lets get flashed 2 times then semtex throw at us because they know where there and semtex DOES NOT TAG (OP much) then sit in corners with acrs spraying...wow just saying if u dnt ban these things now from GG and CGi get rdy for WaW S2 V2 with every1 whoring the STG and GGS1 where we just throw stuns 1 stun in cod is pretty much the same as 2xflashes.

[PoOkStAr]

The 2xFlash and Semtex combo is pretty lethal and annoying at times

[Th3 xSaintx]

I'm daft because i don't agree with you? Well your all daft because i don't agree with alot of the current ruleset.

Not going to list all the things i don't like because i'm just beating my head against a brick wall. Ban flashes i couldn't give a flying fuck.

[Ryano]

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[rap_2nd]

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agreed.

[budgey]

haha saints getting mad. just wait he'll start up on why we shouldnt play SnD and TDM is the more competive game type hahaha jokes

[Twilife]

Flashes only allowed for Attackers? Most maps are defense-advantaged, could be a wild possibility? Defenders will basically have nothing, smokes would only be used to get to other bomb sites etc etc who knows, spin up ideas rather than criticize. Must've missed your ideas on CG, haven't seen any this thread Saint - throw some out there?

[PodX12]

Flashes only allowed for Attackers? Most maps are defense-advantaged, could be a wild possibility? Defenders will basically have nothing, smokes would only be used to get to other bomb sites etc etc who knows, spin up ideas rather than criticize. Must've missed your ideas on CG, haven't seen any this thread Saint - throw some out there?

Trialing this would b a good idea. It may work it may not.

[Dazed]

You dont want to get saint mad, just ask cyza or tempo..

Rof