GG MW2, Competition and General Info (so far)

[Twilife]

Tonight, the almighty powers of Duke, Dazed, Hucky and myself all had a long chat about the ladder and how it will function, as well as the upcoming season’s game settings and rules, and also competition structures for now and the future leagues and ladders. We came up with some really good ideas for the website updates, future leagues as well as settled some firm ideas for game rules in the upcoming Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 season.

For the time being, the only option of competition structure we see as suitable is to run an open ladder for the first season, then following this season we will begin invitational leagues. The open ladder, as the title suggests, is open to all members and any new comers. We can presume an increase in member and clan activity once the ladders are up, this further led us to discern that numbers will be unmanageable for any perks rulesets to work properly in the open ladder. This is the unanimous decision of the COD officials, but is also what the majority of the community wish to see – gathered from posts on both CG where we are also very active, and on GG.

As Woodzy has outlined many-a-time, perks are unmanageable due to their ease of being exploited. For perks to work, we would require Hardcore to be disabled and to either have kill-cam on or a referee present at every single match. For the first season and the open ladder, with a no doubt increase in players, this – as I previously stated – is unmanageable and quite ludicrous. This game is still new to us and it makes sense for us to keep it that way for as long as possible to get as much of a lifespan from the game that we can, both in our own personal entertainment and competitively. For this reason we will not consider Kill-Cam’s to be allowed in this first Open season, which therefore means we will not allow perks for the first Open season either.

It’d be much appreciated if all the talk and outlining of perk rulesets cease now. While we appreciate the community’s effort in helping both themselves, their fellow gamers and GotGames – any more talk of it will just be pointless for now. Please note we do extend a large “thank you” though. But don’t fret, that debate will surely come up again come invitational-league time as we will have manageable numbers and sufficient referees.

Moving on, we are still divided in what health and health regeneration to go with. Aside from these two game factors, everything will be as normal in the ‘Game SetupGame Rules’ menu. Seriously - Duke, Dazed and I all have different settings we’d like. Talk about making things difficult for ourselves. We do also note that the community is divided on this as well, though I think fortunately I’ve never taken a CG Poll to be all that accurate so we are going to do it here, soon. We’ll talk about that when the polling thread is made. The choices that will be available to vote for (please don’t vote underneath this post) are the following:

• Half Health, No Health Regeneration
• Half Health, Slow Health Regeneration
• Half Health, Normal Health Regeneration
• Normal Health, No Health Regeneration
• Normal Health, Slow Health Regeneration

Again, all other settings will be the same as that we had for our last Call of Duty 4 competition, including timers, killcam, killstreaks, perks, spectating and respawn restrictions. We are not rushing a ruleset as we want to TRY to get it right the first time (keyword is obviously try) so we’re going over all details thoroughly.

As for news on future GotGames website updates, we can assure you that they are going to be great, easy to use and also really ‘Pro’. Things that will be changed and improved include:

• Ladder formats
• Challenging system
• Forums
• Team Organisation and Registration
• Website navigation and layout


I cannot go into great detail with these as the minute details are really yet to be confirmed. We are ball-parking a 3 week wait, mostly due to the large amount of requests the ‘coder’ of the site and ladders has gotten from us - as well as other GG officials and Head Admins - which he will try his best to include. We’ve had the opportunity to get a sneak-peek at the new layout and like I said, it is sexy.

Hope this answers some questions, but if you have any more please feel free to ask below or in a PM to Duke, Dazed or myself. Please try to keep the questions and discussion on-topic and not about “Wtf are they bringing to GG site?” or “I’ve made some rules that will be great for invitational leagues...” etc. The latter, suggestions and so forth won’t be deleted and will be reviewed upon when the time comes. We’ve got a while til that though so in the mean-time let’s just try and refine the first season and make it wondrously fucktabulous (girls don’t like it when you call them that apparently).

Guess what debate comes next?

Equipment, Attachments, Primary guns, Secondary guns and Duke’s beard.

We’ll try to keep this one more confined though, as we have a good idea of what is over-powered, what is unfair and what is plain woeful for competitive gameplay. The fun part will be coming to an accord, which will be pretty interesting as many of the guns in all 4 health options are still 2-4 hit kills, pending obstacles and the need for ‘penetration’ (ha!). Like many of you would suspect it’ll also largely come down to clip-size, fire rate, accuracy and recoil as just said, power of the weapons is all pretty similar. Disagree with that or not, but do it when we actually open up a “Equipment, Attachments, Primary guns and Secondary guns” thread.

Again we have some time, so det’s do dis.

Essay complete.

Twilife out.

[Dazed]

I second that lol.

P.S. The new site updates are going to blow your load.

[Heath4n]

Great work mate, Hucky ran me over a few of the ideas you guys came up with and I think its a great format.

[Th3 xSaintx]

Hopefully we see an influx of teams on GG so i can have many many more clan matches a week

[Twilife]

My hands are still sore. Cheers Hybrid.

Yeah that's what i'm looking forward to as well Saint, 1 match a week gets rather dull heh.

[Dazed]

dw GG ownz and so do the admins.. yeahyuh

[rap_2nd]

Good work Twi and Duke (not Dazed).

Hopefully we see an influx of teams on GG so i can have many many more clan matches a week

Agreed.

I don't know if this has been answered but will it be the top 10 to go into the Pro/Inter league?

[Twilife]

Who cares Rapture, the only thing we give a shit about is staring at your avatar whilst licking our lips.

On a more serious note, we'll decide that once we know how many teams there are, and how competitive the top 16, 20, 25 are going to be.

[Fray Woodzy]

Seems like a very good idea here twilife. Personally not really fond of no regen seeing that the health is a little bit lower and the fact that there are so many high spots in this game that there will be so many owww shit i jumped and no regen fails.

But im open for discussion about it as it always has been a GG thing. Perhaps if say season 2 we run full health set perks then no regen would be ideal but probs not for half.

As for guns im not sure really the only one i can think of is really the vector as its got a high fire rate and accuracy.

Lots of people like to bag the m4, scar and ACR but without them it will just be famas, m16 and ak whoring just a bit 2 much like cod 4 really

[Twilife]

My choice was full health no regen It gets 1 hit sniper critical kills (nipples up basically) still so thats nice. And I havent really had many tagging issues yet. I reckon a lot of people have got to realise that they've made it more realistic, in that getting shot in the leg will not kill you, getting shot in the ribs or kidney wont kill you, but being shot in the heart, lungs (rib cage), neck and head will. It does get frustrating though, for instance in one of our scrims i got 2 bursts on a guys legs (prob 4 or 5/6 bullets hit him) then he popped up and 1-burst me in the middle of the chest. Frustrating as hell but understandable? Half health is just too weak for me...but again its all debatable and will be 'polled' (working on the best way to do this still)

[Fray Woodzy]

I agree half health is to less amount of health but full health without SP is just too much.
Like krit said 3/4 health would be scary good but not possible. After playing half health a fair bit you still generally get tagged if the person isnt good enough to finish you off so i dunno really.

Just seems like that if cg rolls half health then GG rolls full could be a massive pain in the ass swtiching up between healths and seeing as some GG teams will be reluctant to scrim other GG teams then pretty much only get practice on cg's half health.

But i dunno really so-long as marathon and lightweight aint in i can deal with it

[Twilife]

Yeah we're talking season 1, open ladder. So no perks. At all. Gone. Vanished, Finito I'll play some more on half health..see what happens

[~kritikal]

Half health no perks slow regen as i have said at CG is the only logical choice...

Full health with no perks slow regen is the only other thing i would consider.

[Dazed]

Normal health is stupid, i was standing atleast 5 metres from someone behind the planters on terminal and all i could see was there head so i shot my UMP straight at the top of the head and got a tag, and this happened atleast 4 times that scrim.

[Twilife]

imo they're the only 2 sensible options. Sry Beard. Added normal and slow regen as an 'option'. Gotta consider everythin babes.

PS hit him twice! they should be wearing helmets anyway the stupid terrorists.

[Fray Woodzy]

Nar shouldnt be 2 bullets to the head that just sucks. I would be hell cut if i ump sum1 in the head and they dont die as they should

[Dazed]

Nar shouldnt be 2 bullets to the head that just sucks. I would be hell cut if i ump sum1 in the head and they dont die as they should

Yeah there was some rage..

[Twilife]

Will start a poll soon. Btw piss off with sig tests.

[~dalla.]

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It looks pretty good overall Twi. Half health slow regen sounds good due to a lack of perks.
Normal health w/ no perks is absolutely garbage. I was in a scrim testing it out today and people were taking bursts from an M16. DO NOT WANT!

Please god keep the SPAS-12. I need to run around Favela with something good and a Magnum tactical knife just won't be good enough.

[Twilife]

Yeah i've been having to do more than 2 bursts on rare occasions to kill some guys. Tisn't nice. Taking more than 1 burst isnt an issue, that even happened with cod4.

Guns n shit will be pretty straight forward. Poll tomorrow, its weird haha.

[Pookebab]

relentless will be playing

[BLooDHouNd au]

Please god keep the SPAS-12. I need to run around Favela with something good and a Magnum tactical knife just won't be good enough.

yeUh spas12 ownz!

[I GooseJuice I]

Is activision donating any cash this time round? Or is it pay to play with a small cash pool?

I don't even want to hear it if 'GotGames is donating 1k of their own money into the cashpool' because honestly, they are the biggest Indian givers, and it's more likely than not that they'd just retract that money mid-season.

Hit me back

[Twilife]

Hasn't been determined yet. Anything prize and money related we leave to the bigger GG guys, us 3 just run the comp. Will look into it for you though, Goose.

[The DUKE]

I don't even want to hear it if 'GotGames is donating 1k of their own money into the cashpool' because honestly, they are the biggest Indian givers, and it's more likely than not that they'd just retract that money mid-season.
Hit me back

Just wondering what you mean here, as far as i know all seasons have been paid only thing that hasnt been sorted was last season's 3rd place prizes.

[Twilife]

Which is organised, Hucky just needs Apex's captains address.

[I GooseJuice I]

Just wondering what you mean here, as far as i know all seasons have been paid only thing that hasnt been sorted was last season's 3rd place prizes.

I was referring to the GH Aerosmith ladder that had 1k cash prize - Which never went into a final series.

WaW had a season that didn't go into a final series aswell aswell, due to inactivity (poor administration)... If GG actually kicked these seasons into a final series', managed it properly - then gave the 1k cash prize that was promised to the winning team (whether they were a bunch of massive noobs or not) - Word would of gotten out that 'Moorey's crap team just won 1000 bucks on GotGames' - Then there would of been an influx of teams rolling over from CG to win the cash next time round. 'If Moorey and his noobs can win 1k, so can we.'

Or... GG could continue to follow the path that they've chosen to take over the past year: http://www.gotgames.com.au/forums/ca...5/#post1810967

No disrespect to you three gents, you've been doing a tremendous job at flogging this dead horse. The fact that you guys got that last season of CoD4 cracking was impressive, GJ. Keep up the good work. Its just the guys at the top neglecting everybody that's screwing us.

Pfft whatever, I don't even care though. It's not like GG hasn't screwed us over plenty of times before. It's just a shame that the GG dead horse is decomposing, as oppose to being gutted and stuffed with preservatives :-(

Oh yah, btw moorey - I just used you as an example, you know all of us ol' CoD4 players respect you

[Ryano]

Which is organised, Hucky just needs Apex's captains address.

Chat to me on MSN

[I GooseJuice I]

Holy shit, these new ladders we were promised are amazing. Bravo GG. You have pulled through for us once again! CG shall fall to the ashes

[Twilife]

"We are ball-parking a 3 week wait, mostly due to the large amount of requests the ‘coder’ of the site and ladders has gotten from us - as well as other GG officials and Head Admins - which he will try his best to include."

The general stuff is there but it's still in development as more and more requests are thrown at the coder. Yes, it's been 4 weeks - but it's better to perfect the system rather than release it prematurely.

[Ryano]

True - I just hope GG gets the jump on CGi.

If that doesn't happen, the one key thing differentiating the sites is lost.

[Dazed]

dw we got this

[BLooDHouNd au]

GG still the professional league in my view. I will say it yet again, the site is too hard to navigate and there are zero ladders. Really hope GG pulls it together because two leagues > one league.

[Twilife]

Yep that's all getting fixed up Bloodhound. The new ladder system and setup GG has is great, just a matter of getting it running smoothly and fully developed. We considered opening up a ladder now to let teams sign up, however it'd only make the coder's job for the new system harder.

[I GooseJuice I]

How technical can this ladder actually be? If it's not up and running before everyone gets back from holidays...It'll pretty much be a write off.

I only know a bit about coding, but a basic ladder can be completed in a couple of days... It's been months... Is this the same ladder that was promised for CoD4 S2???

Probably Just make an average ladder in a week, then keep us hanging with countless promises of a 'state of the arc' ladder... How the fuck is GG supposed to be treated as 'the more professional league' when they can't even summon a simple ladder. My god.

MW2's CGi = GG's death... The date is drawing ever so close

[Th3 xSaintx]

Gotgames has become a joke.

[II xBloodZ II]

half health normal regen would be alright imo

if someone shoots someone and they dont die, it givs more of a chance to 'outshoot' if the other person drops behind an object for 3 seconds and pops back out

also is there a confirmed date for the new layout?

[Swan]

Full health - slow regen or no regen as the games health is considerably weaker compared to cod4

[PsYch0ticAu55ie]

LOLOLOL perfect joke

[Fray Woodzy]

Pretty sure the health and regen was decided over a month ago swanny. Just a tad bit late. And btw its half health slow regen